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Bathroom Sink P-trap Massachusetts?
Author: PRC (MA) I'thousand replacing an old bath faucet and would similar to replace the chrome p-trap and waste arm as well since they wait pretty erstwhile. The sink is wall mounted and the pipes are exposed so I volition employ chrome fittings again. In researching what to buy, I've come up across a few p-traps that are say they comply with New England & MA code. I'm wondering if I should buy/install one of these at twice the price. Does anyone know what differentiates these from a "regular" chrome i-1/4 x i-one/2 p-traps with a clean out? Thanks. Edited ane times.
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Bathroom Sink P-trap Massachusetts?

Author: PRC (MA)

I'thousand replacing an old bath faucet and would similar to replace the chrome p-trap and waste arm as well since they wait pretty erstwhile. The sink is wall mounted and the pipes are exposed so I volition employ chrome fittings again. In researching what to buy, I've come up across a few p-traps that are say they comply with New England & MA code. I'm wondering if I should buy/install one of these at twice the price. Does anyone know what differentiates these from a "regular" chrome i-1/4 x i-one/2 p-traps with a clean out? Thanks.

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Re: Bathroom Sink P-trap Massachusetts?
Writer: bernabeu (SC) the gage of the metallic - - - - Retired U.A. Local 1 & 638 "Measure out Twice & Cutting Once"
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Author: hj (AZ) They might have an FIP threaded outlet.
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Author: packy (MA) MA does not allow a sideslip joint on the outlet side of the trap. the connexion must be threaded, soldered or glued. a trap must have a cleanout at the bottom. if the trap is the swivel blazon that can be taken autonomously, no cleanout is required. if you aren't sure, post a movie of the existing trap and the new trap. in example you are wondering, there are millions of traps across the USA that have slip joints on the outlet and there are thousands illegally installed in MA. to my noesis no one has died from the bubonic plague..
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Author: packy (MA)

MA does not allow a sideslip joint on the outlet side of the trap.
the connexion must be threaded, soldered or glued.
a trap must have a cleanout at the bottom. if the trap is the swivel blazon that can be taken autonomously, no cleanout is required.
if you aren't sure, post a movie of the existing trap and the new trap.
in example you are wondering, there are millions of traps across the USA that have slip joints on the outlet and there are thousands illegally installed in MA. to my noesis no one has died from the bubonic plague..

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Author: PRC (MA) @ bernabeu(SC) - Checked the gauge of the p-traps geared for NE&MA and they are 17 estimate which I only learned is thicker than 22 gauge. So, I volition pay attention to gauge when I purchase. Thank you! @ hj(AZ) - I couldn't find info on blazon of threaded outlet but will do some more digging. Cheers! @packy(MA) - Thank y'all for the info and suggesting posting pics of existing set up upward and the new P-trap that I'yard looking to purchase! I call up that's the manner to become and will do that by tomorrow Edited 1 times.
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Author: PRC (MA)

@ bernabeu(SC) - Checked the gauge of the p-traps geared for NE&MA and they are 17 estimate which I only learned is thicker than 22 gauge. So, I volition pay attention to gauge when I purchase. Thank you!

@ hj(AZ) - I couldn't find info on blazon of threaded outlet but will do some more digging. Cheers!

@packy(MA) - Thank y'all for the info and suggesting posting pics of existing set up upward and the new P-trap that I'yard looking to purchase! I call up that's the manner to become and will do that by tomorrow smile

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Writer: packy (MA) i'm a little confused (doesn't take much) now as to the type trap you are replacing. a pic volition definately get us going in the correct direction.
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Writer: PRC (MA) packy, Hither's a photo of what I accept now and would like to replace. I was thinking to replace this PROFLO® 1-1/four x i-i/2 in. Semi Cast P-Trap with Cast Trunk Chrome #PFPTB401. I also am planning to supercede the water lines and bending valves while I'yard at it. On the PROFLO, the summit of the department that goes to the drain tailpiece is nearly 5" and so it's shorter than what I have now. Do you lot think that the PROFLO P-trap would exist a good replacement? Edited 1 times.
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Writer: PRC (MA)

packy,
Hither's a photo of what I accept now and would like to replace. I was thinking to replace this PROFLO® 1-1/four x i-i/2 in. Semi Cast P-Trap with Cast Trunk Chrome #PFPTB401. I also am planning to supercede the water lines and bending valves while I'yard at it. On the PROFLO, the summit of the department that goes to the drain tailpiece is nearly 5" and so it's shorter than what I have now. Do you lot think that the PROFLO P-trap would exist a good replacement?

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Author: packy (MA) i can't advise annihilation until i tin see what is nether that deep flange. i doubtable you have copper tube backside there with the trap arm sanded to remove the chrome plating and then soldered into the copper. trap is i ane/ii inch OD while copper is 1 1/2 inch ID.. tin you slide back that deep flange and post some other film ? same goes for replacing the stops.. tin can't tell anything from that view. demand a side view of one of them. and so, if my suspicions are right, you will take to unsolder the quondam trap arm from the copper stub out. make clean everything upwardly, scrape the chrome off the new trap arm, flux everything up and solder it back. simply lets not borrow trouble. become the pictures posted and we can come up with a solution. there is a trap like this that is expanded at the outlet to fit over copper tubing and be soldered. aren't mass codes a PITA..
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Author: packy (MA)

i can't advise annihilation until i tin see what is nether that deep flange.
i doubtable you have copper tube backside there with the trap arm sanded to remove the chrome plating and then soldered into the copper. trap is i ane/ii inch OD while copper is 1 1/2 inch ID..
tin you slide back that deep flange and post some other film ?
same goes for replacing the stops.. tin can't tell anything from that view.
demand a side view of one of them.
and so, if my suspicions are right, you will take to unsolder the quondam trap arm from the copper stub out. make clean everything upwardly, scrape the chrome off the new trap arm, flux everything up and solder it back.
simply lets not borrow trouble. become the pictures posted and we can come up with a solution.
there is a trap like this that is expanded at the outlet to fit over copper tubing and be soldered.

aren't mass codes a PITA..

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Re: Bathroom Sink P-trap Massachusetts?
Author: packy (MA) the acme of the trap every bit it relates to the tailpiece is a not-result. the tailpiece tin be unscrewed from the piece above it and hands replaced with a longer one..
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Author: China (MA) Hi Packy, Thank you for your feedback! OK, I'll mail photos of: 1) what's behind the box flange, and 2) the stops. I hope all of this stuff isn't soldered on. The P-trap that you posted is the one that I found being promoted equally meeting code in New England & MA. I thought it was a tad pricey so I'll also post a pic of the PROFLO that I was hoping to utilise instead.
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Author: PRC (MA) Packy, Photos below. Promise they're articulate plenty for you lot to see what'south going on - if not, I'll endeavor once again. Box Flange (looks like the outlet pipe is attached to the wall pipage west/ a PVC locknut???) Angle Stop (it appears that the angle stop is attached to chrome non to a copper stub???) PROFLO P-Trap
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Author: sum (FL) Looks like a plastic trap adapter in that location. Interesting. Is the pipe behind that PVC? Or is there a transition coupling from the plastic to copper piping or elbow behind that? My understanding is you lot can't take a slip nut for that connection in MA and then...but your paneling is forest, and if I were in your shoes I will probably only loosen the nut, replace the p-trap and tighten it back upward, put a new shiny deep flange on information technology and be done with it. Equally for the faucet stop valves. It'southward hard to tell from the pic but it would exist a chrome nipple threaded to a female person inside the wall, and the stop valve threaded on, or information technology could be one of those end valves that comes with a slice of chrome pipe with a 1/two" male thread. If you slight that flange back that may tell y'all more. Just a DIYer so wait for Packy'due south reply.
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Author: sum (FL)

Looks like a plastic trap adapter in that location. Interesting. Is the pipe behind that PVC? Or is there a transition coupling from the plastic to copper piping or elbow behind that? My understanding is you lot can't take a slip nut for that connection in MA and then...but your paneling is forest, and if I were in your shoes I will probably only loosen the nut, replace the p-trap and tighten it back upward, put a new shiny deep flange on information technology and be done with it.

Equally for the faucet stop valves. It'southward hard to tell from the pic but it would exist a chrome nipple threaded to a female person inside the wall, and the stop valve threaded on, or information technology could be one of those end valves that comes with a slice of chrome pipe with a 1/two" male thread. If you slight that flange back that may tell y'all more.

Just a DIYer so wait for Packy'due south reply.

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Author: Mainland china (MA) Sum, Give thanks you lot for commenting! Yes, the white piece is PVC, just I'm certain that what'south backside information technology is metal. Equally for the h2o lines, I will try and loosen a flange to run across if I can expect behind it and take a photo. I've owned the house for 37 years and had the bath "modernized" (used to be a pull chain toilet) and finished in cedar panels around 35 years agone --- sink was moved at that time and metal pipes not PVC were used in the walls and flooring. Looking frontward to reading what Packy has to say.
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Author: Mainland china (MA)

Sum,

Give thanks you lot for commenting! Yes, the white piece is PVC, just I'm certain that what'south backside information technology is metal. Equally for the h2o lines, I will try and loosen a flange to run across if I can expect behind it and take a photo.

I've owned the house for 37 years and had the bath "modernized" (used to be a pull chain toilet) and finished in cedar panels around 35 years agone --- sink was moved at that time and metal pipes not PVC were used in the walls and flooring.

Looking frontward to reading what Packy has to say.

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Re: Bathroom Sink P-trap Massachusetts?
Author: Wheelchair (IL) Why not supercede the "J Bend" instead of the whole p-trap? Best Wishes
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Writer: Prc (MA) I like that thought, Wheelchair...It may come up to just that
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Author: PRC (MA) What'south Behind Water Feed Flange I can see jagged edge where the chrome piece has been cut…looks similar it may have been slipped over the copper pipage - tin can't see any solder???
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Author: bernabeu (SC) information technology IS soldered this entire thread is precisely WHY MA prohibits plumbing by DIYers guesswork and 'attempts' at proper connections when dealing with drinking water and sewage ...................... - - - - Retired U.A. Local 1 & 638 "Mensurate Twice & Cut Once"
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Writer: PlumberLoren (CA) Information technology is possible that what you see in the photograph is a soldered i/2" copper x 1/2" fips adaptor. You tin't see the fips section because of the deep chrome cover. The chrome nipple threads are too subconscious past the deep chrome cover.
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Author: sum (FL) If information technology's metal in the back, bold copper, then you either have a soldered on contumely or copper trap adapter and someone used a plastic nut on information technology, or may be a transition coupling from copper to PVC then a street PVC trap adapter inserted into that. Hard to tell from the lighting on the supply pipe. Is that argent color or white colour on the copper pipe?
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Author: sum (FL)

If information technology's metal in the back, bold copper, then you either have a soldered on contumely or copper trap adapter and someone used a plastic nut on information technology, or may be a transition coupling from copper to PVC then a street PVC trap adapter inserted into that.

Hard to tell from the lighting on the supply pipe. Is that argent color or white colour on the copper pipe?

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Author: packy (MA) this is what y'all take.. an angle stop with extension. very pop valve back in the day.. to remove information technology, shut off the water, remove the packing nut behind the handle and so the stem volition come out to drain the extension, oestrus the chrome nigh an inch and a half from the wall. as you are heating gently rotate the valve dorsum and forth. it won't movement simply when the solder breaks it will spin dorsum and forth. so spin and pull to remove the valve. heat the copper stub outs just enough to soften the solder and wipe clean with a soft dry rag. now, depending on how much copper is sticking out of the wall there are a couple of ways to add together the new valves. if you tin cutting the copper at 2 1/8 inches you lot can use a deep flange (like the one pictured)and a compression angle end
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Author: packy (MA)

this is what y'all take..
an angle stop with extension.
very pop valve back in the day..
to remove information technology, shut off the water, remove the packing nut behind the handle and so the stem volition come out to drain the extension, oestrus the chrome nigh an inch and a half from the wall.
as you are heating gently rotate the valve dorsum and forth. it won't movement simply when the solder breaks it will spin dorsum and forth. so spin and pull to remove the valve. heat the copper stub outs just enough to soften the solder and wipe clean with a soft dry rag.

now, depending on how much copper is sticking out of the wall there are a couple of ways to add together the new valves.
if you tin cutting the copper at 2 1/8 inches you lot can use a deep flange (like the one pictured)and a compression angle end

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Writer: packy (MA) well, well, well.. you have a sideslip nut behind the wall. been at that place for 50 years and no trouble.. y'all might have to have a slice off the wall and so you can grab that nut. plough it CCW to remove it. supervene upon information technology with a good contumely nut. use the trap you want to buy. simply duplicate what you lot have merely upgrade to a brass nut inside the wall. i think that since the mass politicians merely got a 40% pay raise they won't exist too upset that your trap is installed similar the remainder of the known globe.
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Writer: packy (MA)

well, well, well.. you have a sideslip nut behind the wall.
been at that place for 50 years and no trouble..
y'all might have to have a slice off the wall and so you can grab that nut.
plough it CCW to remove it. supervene upon information technology with a good contumely nut.
use the trap you want to buy. simply duplicate what you lot have merely upgrade to a brass nut inside the wall.
i think that since the mass politicians merely got a 40% pay raise they won't exist too upset that your trap is installed similar the remainder of the known globe.

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Author: Red china (MA) Bingo, Packy Your photograph of the extension tube/stop is exactly what my set-upwardly looks like or at least used to back in the twenty-four hours when it was new and shiny. I'd like to use one/4 turn stop on the redo, so I'll do some research to see what I might meet if I go that route. Thank you! Edited 1 times.
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Author: PRC (MA) OK, OK...things are looking up! I was feeling pretty bummed this afternoon that I'd even idea about trying to tackle this project. Definitely feeling better now - my plan is to start with the like shooting fish in a barrel stuff offset - install new faucet and drain piping, then move to replacing the P-trap with the one that I picked out - plus a brass lock nut, and lastly I'll consider the water supply and stops -- will have my plumber on speed dial when/if I endeavor that. Cheers Packy and everyone for your feedback and suggestions! I'll have a photo of the finished job and post it P.South. Packy, If I fabricated every bit much $$ equally the MA legislators, I'd have the whole bathroom renovated pinnacle to bottom. But since I don't I call back that this repair/upgrade volition practice the trick and give the room a bit more shine.
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Author: PRC (MA)

OK, OK...things are looking up! I was feeling pretty bummed this afternoon that I'd even idea about trying to tackle this project.

Definitely feeling better now - my plan is to start with the like shooting fish in a barrel stuff offset - install new faucet and drain piping, then move to replacing the P-trap with the one that I picked out - plus a brass lock nut, and lastly I'll consider the water supply and stops -- will have my plumber on speed dial when/if I endeavor that.

Cheers Packy and everyone for your feedback and suggestions! I'll have a photo of the finished job and post it smile

P.South. Packy, If I fabricated every bit much $$ equally the MA legislators, I'd have the whole bathroom renovated pinnacle to bottom. But since I don't I call back that this repair/upgrade volition practice the trick and give the room a bit more shine.

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Author: hj (AZ) No it is a "remodel valve" with a chrome sleeve over the copper pipe and soldered to information technology. That "silverish stuff" at the end IS the solder.
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Author: sum (FL) To unsolder the chrome sleeve over the copper pipage that close to the wood panel could exist challenging. I promise you have enough of copper pipe sticking out to let you to brand whatsoever connection you lot desired whether that exist compression or threaded. I would put a hole saw effectually the drain nut and cutting a slightly larger hole so I can grab the nut with a pier.
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Author: sum (FL)

To unsolder the chrome sleeve over the copper pipage that close to the wood panel could exist challenging. I promise you have enough of copper pipe sticking out to let you to brand whatsoever connection you lot desired whether that exist compression or threaded.

I would put a hole saw effectually the drain nut and cutting a slightly larger hole so I can grab the nut with a pier.

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Author: PRC (MA) Cheers, HJ. Sum, Thank you for additional tips and advice. I have the same concerns most removing the chrome sleeve: heat (flame) and then close to the forest, and length of the copper stub. I've never used a torch and am a scrap intimidated past the thought...researched possibility of using a heat gun just can't detect a definite opinion if that method works. As for the length of copper that could be a problem too. Getting to the PVC nut is doable and, if needed, I volition make the pigsty larger equally suggested. Ordered my new P-trap this morning time - should go far next week.
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Author: PRC (MA)

Cheers, HJ.

Sum,

Thank you for additional tips and advice. I have the same concerns most removing the chrome sleeve: heat (flame) and then close to the forest, and length of the copper stub. I've never used a torch and am a scrap intimidated past the thought...researched possibility of using a heat gun just can't detect a definite opinion if that method works. As for the length of copper that could be a problem too.

Getting to the PVC nut is doable and, if needed, I volition make the pigsty larger equally suggested. Ordered my new P-trap this morning time - should go far next week.

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Author: PlumberLoren (CA) CAUTION: If you do low-cal a torch to melt solder within the wall or next to it, be certain to take a Fire Extinguisher inside arms length and also a spray bottle of water to spray within the wall to soak whatsoever area near the flame. You lot would be well advised to have a second worker with spray canteen in mitt while y'all practice this soldering. Be careful...many fires are started by Plumbers soldering within walls each year. Good luck Edited ane times.
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Author: PlumberLoren (CA)

CAUTION: If you do low-cal a torch to melt solder within the wall or next to it, be certain to take a Fire Extinguisher inside arms length and also a spray bottle of water to spray within the wall to soak whatsoever area near the flame. You lot would be well advised to have a second worker with spray canteen in mitt while y'all practice this soldering. Be careful...many fires are started by Plumbers soldering within walls each year. Good luck

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Writer: PRC (MA) Really expert suggestions, PlumberLoren. Thank you! I'thousand kind of a risk averse person and then haven't ruled out getting a pro to remove the stops, etc. I'll make up one's mind when I get to that part of the project.
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